All 4K TV models for 2014 (Ultra HD lineup)

We present the list with all models of LED Ultra HD TV, or also known as 4K TV. These models seem to be the future of TV, but for the moment there is no content that can be displayed on definition 4K, except photos and NetFlix. We also recommend: Which 4K LED TV buy for 2014? You can visit our review of each model Ultra HD on the links.

We recommend reading our post about our recommendation to buy a LED TV 4K (Ultra HD) in 2014, before deciding to buy a UHD TV.

Samsung TV 4K:

• Samsung HU6900
• Samsung HU7500
• Samsung HU8500 
• Samsung H8200  

LG TV 4K:

• LG UB980V 
• LG UB950V 
• LG UB850V 

Sony TV 4K:

• Sony X9005B 
• Sony X8505B

Panasonic TV 4K:

• Panasonic AXW804

Philips TV 4K:

• Philips PUS7809 

These are all 2014 models 4K LED TV of major brands. Our advice is Sony X9005B or Samsung HU8500 if you really want to buy a LED TV UHD. In our opinion are excellent TVs, on the other hand the price is very high. If you want the best TV you can buy in 2014, Sony or Samsung HU8500 X9005B are your TV. You can read our post: What TV UHD (4K) we recommend buy in 2014? (comparative all models 4K)

The Best LED TV 2014: Comparative Sony W905, Samsung F8000, LG LA860W, Panasonic WT65 and Philips PFL8008

We recommend the best LED TV 2013. What is the best LED TV 2013? The answer depends mainly uses the TV to give you and the environment to place it. We recommend to check our buying guide LED TV.

Updated: Best TV 2014 Comparison of each brand: H7000, LB8700, W955, ...

In this post we will compare the best LED TV of each brand in 2013, which are on sale during 2014, we added scores are not absolute, but we scored only between these models.
When is the best time to buy a LED TV?

You can visit our post : What TV you should buy in November 2014?

The models that we propose are: the Samsung F8000, LG LA860W, WT65 Panasonic, Philips PFL8008 and Sony W905A. We have ignored the new 4K TVs, as we believe that they are still far from reaching an acceptable price.

2D picture quality:
Perhaps the most important factor in our LED TV, the image quality may depend on personal taste. Deeper blacks (VA panels) or more natural colors and wider viewing angle (IPS). All these models have very good picture, but the VA models have the best image in the highest category of LED TV, offering deeper blacks. As for Hz, all panels are 200Hz .

• The Panasonic WT65 (score 8): It has some problems with very dark scenes, although it has a wide viewing angle thanks to its IPS panel.
• The Philips PFL8008 (score 9): It offers excellent black level response without compromising too much their brightness.
• The LG LA860W (score 7): The bright images look great , but the blacks are very poor. The Local Dimming doesn't work very well.
• The Samsung F8000 (score 10): It has an exceptional picture quality in 2D. The sharpness of detail is excellent inluso in fast moving images. The contrast are excellent, but you need to calibrate the brightness of the room.
• The Sony W905A (score 10): The picture is amazing, this model of Sony stops aside the IPS panel and passed to VA, which loses some viewing angle in exchange for an exceptional image quality.

SmartTV:
The SmartTV is the novelty that is here to stay in every TV. The internet conexion lets you surf for the Internet and use applications and a lot more things.

• The Panasonic WT65 (score 8) : Web browser with flash. The Smart Viera has good menu, easy to use although the browser is a bit slow at times.
• The Philips PFL8008 (score 6): Web browser without Flash. The lack of available applications is a big mistake, a SmartTV that has a long way to walk.
• The LG LA860W (score 9): Web browser with flash. Many applications, very tidy. One of the best Smart TV 2013.
• The Samsung F8000 (score 10): Web browser with flash. Best SmartTV 2013 which has more apps available .
• The Sony W905A (score 7): Web browser without flash. Sony has improved the speed of the menus and it has many applications but the browser without flash makes it a poor Smart TV.

For gaming:
The first thing that we should look to choose which is the best LED TV to play is the image quality and input lag.

• The Panasonic WT65 (score 4): It has much input lag. The WT65 isn't advisable if you want the TV for gaming, about 60ms.
• The Philips PFL8008 (score 4): PFL8008 has the same problem that Panasonic, its inputlag is similar, about 60ms, not advisable for "gamers".
• The LG LA860W (score 6): The inputlag is also high, not as much as the previous two models, but too much for the "gamers"
• The Samsung F8000 (note 8): Has an acceptable inputlag less 40ms, but is far from a Sony TV you should be able to the game normally.
• The Sony W905A (note 10): This the best LED TV for gaming. In "game mode" the input-lag values ​​are less than 10ms. This TV is for true "gamer".

You can read our post with the best LED TV for gaming 2013.

3D:
In this aspect there is a clear difference between two groups, the LED TV with Active vs Passive 3D. In the low-end models we recommend 3D passive, the glasses are also more comfortable and cheaper, but in the top models the Active 3D wins.

• The Panasonic WT65 (score 9): Passive 3D. Surely the best passive 3D 2013 although the resolution is somewhat lower than other active models.
• The Philips PFL8008 (score 9): Active 3D. This Philips model that helps solve the slight darkness of active systems and provides excellent 3D, but loses some its deep blacks.
• The LG LA860W (score 8): Passive 3D. It has a natural picture: nice and quite bright. It lost the details because its lower resolution.
• The Samsung F8000 (score 10): Active 3D. The details, even with moving images, are exceptional, it has high contrast without obscuring the image .
• The Sony W905A (score 9): Active 3D. It is the only model with active 3D by Sony 2013. It really gets excellent contrast , you may see a slight crosstalk .

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Audio: Sound quality
All LED TV experience in this regard, the extremely thin designs impairs the quality of sound.

• The Panasonic WT65 (score 7): Speakers + Woofer 18W. Acceptable to watch TV and little else.
• The Philips PFL8008 (score 8): 30 W (2 x 15 W) Powerful and serious quite acceptable, especially if the volume is not very high.
• The LG LA860W (score 8): Well balanced sound. If the volume is high enough suffer serious distortion.
• The Samsung F8000 (score 8): 40 W (10 W x 2 Woofer 10 W x 2). It includes two woofers in the rear of the TV.
• The Sony W905A (score 9): 10 W + 10 W. The sound goes directly toward the viewer. Good bass without distortion.

Price:
The price depends on the size of the TV, you can check out our Buying Guide to choose the right size screen. Listed below costs approximately for 46-47 inch models in online stores.

• The Panasonic WT65 - £1,600
• The Philips PFL8008 £1,300
• The LG LA860W - £1,150
• The Samsung F8000 - £1,360
• The Sony W905A - £1,300

Value for Price:
After analyzing the most important aspects of these models and learn about price, these models cost value or more value than they cost.

• The Panasonic WT65 (score 6): this is the more expensive model, while it isn't the best in any aspect. A television where her price is far above their value.
• The Philips PFL8008 (score 8): Good audio, good picture 2D and 3D and the lowest of all models. Despite failing in its SmartTV and with its input lag, this is a very good choice.
• The LG LA860W (score 6): It has the worst 2D image, despite its lower price it doesn't the best choice and we can buy a lower model than the LG LA860W with better image quality.
• The Samsung F8000 (score 9.5): The Best TV LED as 2D and 3D image and the best SmartTV. Only its price prevents this LED TV had the 10 points of score, but if you want the best LED TV 2013 you should to have to scratch your pocket.
• The Sony W905A (score 9): The score is 10 for "gamers". If you play games with the TV,  it's clearly your TV.

There are other factors that we will not specify, for example the design: all models looks fantastic in their own way. Remote controls, tuners, speed channel change, ... For any questions you can leave a comment and we will try guide you.

Our reviews:

• Samsung F8000 review
• Panasonic WT65 review
• Philips PFL8008 review
• Sony W905A review
• LG LA860W review

All LG LED TVs 2012 (line-up)

All LED TV models of LG for 2012 in UK
If you want review USA models visit our blog: LED TV USA

LS3400 LG LS3400 review
LED  Full HD,  MCI 100Hz, Triple XD Engine, 1xUSB, 2xHDMI, ...

• LG 32LS3400
• LG 42LS3400

LS3500: The same model with other design LG LS3500

LS5600 LG LS5600 review
LED  Full HD,  MCI 100Hz, Triple XD Engine, 1xUSB, 3xHDMI, ...

• LG 32LM5600
• LG 37LM5600
• LG 42LM5600

LS570T  LG LS570T review
LED Full HD,  MCI 200Hz, Triple XD Engine, Wi-Fi Ready, Smart TV, Network File Browser, 2D/3D converter, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...

• LG 32LM570T
• LG 37LM570T
• LG 42LM570T

LS575T  LG LS575T review

LED  Full HD,  MCI 200Hz, Triple XD Engine, Wi-Fi , Smart TV, Network File Browser, 2D/3D converter, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...

• LG 32LM575T
• LG 37LM575T
• LG 42LM575T

LM3400/LM3450 LG LM3450 review
LED CINEMA 3D,  MCI 100Hz, Triple XD Engine, 2D/3D converter, Dual Play, 1xUSB, 3xHDMI, ...

• LG 32LM3400
• LG 42LM3400

• LG 42LM3450

LM615T LG LM615T review
LED CINEMA 3D,  MCI 200Hz, Triple XD Engine, 2D/3D converter, Dual Play, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...  

• LG 42LM615T
• LG 47LM615T

LM620T LG LM620T review

LED CINEMA 3D,  MCI 400Hz, Triple XD Engine, Wi-Fi Ready, Smart TV, Network File Browser, 2D/3D converter, Dual Play, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...

• LG 32LM620T
• LG 37LM620T
• LG 42LM620T
• LG 47LM620T
• LG 55LM620T
• LG 65LM620T

LM640T 
LED CINEMA 3D,  MCI 400Hz, Triple XD Engine,  Wi-Fi, Smart TV, Network File Browser, 2D/3D converter, Dual Play, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...

• LG 42LM640T
• LG 47LM640T
• LG 55LM640T

LM660T 
LED CINEMA 3D,  MCI 400Hz, Local Dimming, Triple XD Engine, Wi-Fi, Smart TV, Network File Browser, 2D/3D converter,  "Magic Control", Dual Play, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...

• LG 42LM660T
• LG 47LM660T
• LG 55LM660T

LM670T LG LM670T review
LED CINEMA 3D,  MCI 400Hz, Local Dimming, Triple XD Engine, Wi-Fi, Smart TV, Network File Browser, 2D/3D converter,  "Magic Control", Dual Play, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...

• LG 42LM670T
• LG 47LM670T
• LG 55LM670T

LM669T: The same model with other design

• LG 42LM699T
• LG 47LM699T
• LG 55LM699T

Serie LM760T LG LM760T review

LED CINEMA 3D,  MCI 800Hz, Local Dimming, Triple XD Engine, Wi-Fi, Smart TV, Network File Browser, 2D/3D converter, "Magic Control", Dual Play, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...

• LG 42LM760T
• LG 47LM760T
• LG 55LM760T

LM860V 
LED CINEMA 3D, MCI 800Hz, Local Dimming, Triple XD Engine, Dynamic Colour Enhancer, Dual-Core, Wi-Fi, Smart TV, Network File Browser, 2D/3D converter,  "Magic Control", Dual Play, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...

• LG 47LM860V
• LG 55LM860V

LM960V LG LM960V Review
Nano Full LED Cinema 3D, MCI 1000Hz, Local Dimming, Triple XD Engine, Dynamic Colour Enhancer, Wi-Fi, Smart TV, Network File Browser, 2D/3D converter,  "Magic Control", Dual Play, SubWoofer 10W, 3xUSB, 4xHDMI, ...

• LG 47LM960V
• LG 55LM960V

List of all Philips TV LED (line-up 2012)

Philips LED TVs for 2012 are grouped into 7 series. From the 3000 series to 9000 series, with the best models of the highest number.

Philips PFL3000

Perfect Motion Rate 100 Hz (CMR), Wi-Fi Ready, 3xHDMI, 2xUSB, Depth 4,7cm, ... 

19PFL3507

22PFL3507 

24PFL3507 

32PFL3507 

37PFL3507 

42PFL3507

Philips PFL3807

32PFL3807

39PFL3807 

46PFL3807 

50PFL3807 

Philips PFL4000

Pixel Plus HD, Perfect Motion Rate 200 Hz (CMR), SmartTV, Wi-Fi Ready, Internet Browser, 4xHDMI, 3xUSB, Depth 4,3cm, ...

Philips 32PFL4007

Philips 37PFL4007

Philips 42PFL4007

Philips 47PFL4007

Philips PFL4300

The same model with 3D PFL4000: Easy 3D Clarity 400, 2D to 3D Conversor, ...

Philips 32PFL4307

Philips 37PFL4307

Philips 42PFL4307

Philips 47PFL4307 

Philips PFL5000:

Pixel Plus HD, Perfect Motion Rate 400 Hz (CMR), SmartTV, Wi-Fi,  Internet Browser, 4xHDMI, 3xUSB, Depth 3,6cm, ...

Philips 32PFL5007

Philips 42PFL5007

Philips 47PFL5007

Philips PFL5500
The same model PFL5007 with 3D: 3D Max Clarity 400, 2D to 3D Conversor, ...

Philips 32PFL5507

Philips 40PFL5507

Philips 46PFL5507

Philips 55PFL5507

Philips PFL6000:

Pixel Precise HD, Perfect Motion Rate 400 Hz (CMR), Micro Dimming, 3D Max Clarity 700, 2D to 3D conversor,  Processor Dual Core, SmartTV, Wi-Fi, Internet Browser, 4xHDMI, 3xUSB, depth 3cm, ...

Philips 32PFL6007

Philips 37PFL6007

Philips 42PFL6007

Philips 47PFL6007

Philips 55PFL6007

Philips PFL7000:

Pixel Precise HD, Perfect Motion Rate 800 Hz (CMR), Micro Dimming, 3D Max Clarity 700,  2D to 3D conversor, Processor Dual Core, SmartTV, Wi-Fi, Internet Browser, 5xHDMI, 3xUSB,  depth 3cm, ...

Philips 40PFL7007

Philips 46PFL7007

Philips 55PFL7007

Philips PFL8000:

Perfect Pixel HD Engine, Perfect Motion Rate 800 Hz (CMR), Micro Dimming, 3D Max Clarity 700,  2D to 3D conversor, Processor Dual Core, SmartTV, Wi-Fi,  Internet Browser, 5xHDMI, 3xUSB, depth 3cm, ...

Philips 40PFL8007

Philips 46PFL8007

Philips 55PFL8007

Philips PFL9000*:

*not available

Philips 40PFL9007

Philips 46PFL9007

Philips 55PFL9007

Official site Philips

Which 40 in TV LED should i buy during 2012?

The 40 inch LED TV is advisable for a min viewing distance: 5 feet and max viewing distance: 10 feet. You can visit  LED TV Buying Guide for find the best TV LED for you.

Samsung  2012 Models 

List of all models  Samsung TV LED for 2012

• Samsung 40 "LED EH5000 (60hz, CMR 120.2 hdmi)
• Samsung 40 "LED EH6000 (120hz, hdmi 240.2 CMR)
• Samsung UE40ES6100  (120hz, CMR 240, slim .5 "bezel, internet, built-in wifi, web browser)
• Samsung UE40ES6710
• Samsung UE40ES7000
• Samsung 40 "LED ES6580 (120hz, CMR 480.3 D, internet, web browser)
• Samsung UE40ES6800
• Samsung UE40ES8000

Models 2011:

• Samsung UE40D5003
• Samsung UE40D5000
• Samsung UE40D6000
• Samsung UE40D6100
• Samsung UE40D6510
• Samsung UE40D6530
• Samsung UE40D8000

Sony 40 "on sale during 2012:

List of  all models Sony TV LED for 2012

• Sony KDL-40EX640  (120hz, bravia engine 3, Motionflow xr240, wifi adapter included, web browser)
• Sony KDL-40HX750  (240Hz, 3D, built-in wifi, web browser, Motionflow XR480)
• Sony KDL-40HX720
• Sony KDL-40HX850  (Monolithic, 3D, built-in wifi, web browser, Motionflow xr960)

Models 2011:

• Sony 40EX523
• Sony 40EX521
• Sony KDL 40EX520

LG 42 "for sale during 2012:

List of all models  LG TV LED for 2012

Models 2012:

• LG 42LM6700  (120hz, local dimming, 3D, internet)
• LG 42LM8600
• LG 42LM9600 (480Hz, full array, 3D Internet, dual core processor)

Models 2011:

• LG42LV3550
• LG42LV4500

Panasonic 42 "for sale during 2012:

List of all models  Panasonic TV LED for 2012

• Panasonic TX-L42DT50  (240Hz, 3D)

list all TV LED models 2012 brands features

LED TV ALL MODELS OF ALL BRANDS 2012 


Sony: 

40 inches: 

• Sony KDL-40EX640  (120hz, bravia engine 3, Motionflow xr240, wifi adapter included, web browser)
• Sony KDL-40HX750  (240Hz, 3D, built-in wifi, web browser, Motionflow XR480)
• Sony KDL-40HX720
• Sony KDL-40HX850  (Monolithic, 3D, built-in wifi, web browser, Motionflow xr960)

46 inches: 

• Sony KDL-46EX640  (120hz, BE3, mf xr240, wifi adapter included, web browser)
• Sony KDL-46HX720
• Sony KDL-46HX750  (240Hz, 3D, built-in wifi, web browser, Motionflow XR480)
• Sony KDL-46HX850

55 inches: 

• Sony KDL-55EX640
• Sony KDL-55HX720
• Sony KDL-55HX750  (240Hz, 3D, built-in wifi, web browser, mf XR480)
• Sony KDL-55HX850  (Monolithic, 3D, built-in wifi, web browser, Motionflow xr960)

Samsung: 
40 inches 

• Samsung 40 "LED EH5000 (60hz, CMR 120.2 hdmi)
• Samsung 40 "LED EH6000 (120hz, hdmi 240.2 CMR)
• Samsung UE40ES6100  (120hz, CMR 240, slim .5 "bezel, internet, built-in wifi, web browser)
• Samsung UE40ES6710
• Samsung UE40ES7000
• Samsung 40 "LED ES6580 (120hz, CMR 480.3 D, internet, web browser)
• Samsung UE40ES6800
• Samsung UE40ES8000

46 inches: 

• Samsung 46 "LED EH5000 (60hz, CMR 120.2 hdmi)
• Samsung 46 "LED EH6000 (120hz, hdmi 240.2 CMR)
• Samsung 46 "LED ES6100 (120hz, CMR 240, slim .5" bezel, internet, built-in wifi, web browser)
• Samsung 46 "LED ES6500 (120Hz, 3D, CMR 480, slim .5" bezel, internet, built-in wifi, web browser, 3 hdmi, 2 glasses activated in box)
• Samsung 46 "LED ES6580 (120hz, 3d, internet, CMR 480, web browser)
• Samsung 46ES6710
• Samsung UE46ES6800
• Samsung UE46ES7000
• Samsung 46 "LED ES7100 (240Hz, 3D, slim 0.2" bezel, 4 glasses in box, built-in wifi, web browser)
• Samsung UE46ES8000

50 inches: 

• Samsung 50 "LED EH5000 (60hz, CMR 120.2 hdmi)
• Samsung 50 "LED EH6000 (120hz, hdmi 240.2 CMR)
• Samsung 50 "LED ES6100 (120hz, CMR 240, slim .5" bezel, internet, built-in wifi)
• Samsung 50 "LED ES6500 (120hz, CMR 480.3 D, slim .5" bezel, internet, built-in wifi, web browser) -
• Samsung 50 "LED ES7100 (240Hz, 3D, slim 0.2" bezel, internet, built-in wifi)

55 inches:

• Samsung 55 "LED EH6000 (120hz, hdmi 120.2 CMR)
• Sasmung 55 "LED ES6100 (120hz, CMR 240, slim .5" bezel, internet, built-in wifi)
• Samsung 55 "LED ES6500 (120hz, CMR 480.3 D, slim .5" bezel, internet, built-in wifi, web browser, 2 glasses activated in box)
• Samsung 55 "LED ES6580 (120hz, CMR 480.3 D, internet, web browser)
• Samsung 55ES6800
• Samsung 55ES7000
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• Sasmung 55 "LED ES7100 (240Hz, 3D, slim 0.2" bezel, 4 glasses in box, internet, built-in wifi, web browser)
• Samsung UE55ES8000 (240Hz, 3D, internet, built-in wifi, web browser, voice and face recognition, dual core processor)

60 inches: 

• Samsung 60 "LED EH6000 (120hz, hdmi 240.2 CMR)
• Samsung 60 "LED ES6100 (120hz, CMR 240.2 hdmi, slim .5" bezel, internet, built-in wifi)
• Samsung 60 "LED ES6500 (120hz, hdmi CMR 480.3, 3D, slim .5" bezel, internet, built-in wifi, web browser, 2 glasses activated in box)
• Samsung 60 "LED ES7100 (240Hz, 3D, 4 glasses in box, slim 0.2" bezel, internet, built-in web browser)
• Samsung 60 "LED ES8000 (240Hz, 3D, slim 0.2" bezel, internet, built-in wifi, web browser, voice and face recognition, dual core processor)

65 inches 

• Sasmung 65 "LED EH6000 (120hz, hdmi 240.2 CMR)
• Samsung 65 "LED ES6500 (120hz, hdmi CMR 480.3, 3D, internet, built-in wifi, web browser)
• Samsung 65 "LED ES8000 (240Hz, 3D, internet, built-in wifi)

75 inches: 

• Samsung 75 "LED ES8000 (240Hz, 3D, internet, built-in wifi)

LG: 

42 inches: 

• LG 42LM6700  (120hz, local dimming, 3D, internet)
• LG 42LM8600
• LG 42LM9600 (480Hz, full array, 3D Internet, dual core processor)

47 inches:

• LG 47LM6700  (120hz, local dimming, 3D, internet)
• LG 47 "LED LM7600 (240Hz, local dimming, 3D, internet)
• LG 47G2
• LG 47LM9600

55 inches: 

• LG 55 "LED LM6200 (120hz, 3d, internet)
• LG 55LM6700  (120hz, local dimming, 3D, internet)
• LG 55 "LED LM7600 (240Hz, local dimming, 3D, internet)
• LG 55 "LED LM8600
• LG 55LM9600  (480Hz, full array, 3D Internet, dual core processor)
• LG 55G2

60 inches: 

• LG 60 "LED LM9600 (480Hz, full array, 3D Internet, dual core processor)

84 inches: 

• LG 84LM9600 (480Hz, 2k x 4k, full array, 3D Internet, dual core processor)

Panasonic: 

42 inches: 

• Panasonic TX-L42DT50  (240Hz, 3D)

47 inches: 

• Panasonic 47 "TC-L47E50 LED (120hz)
• Panasonic 47 "TC-L47ET5 LED (120Hz, 3D, passive)
• Panasonic 47 "TC-L47DT50 LED (240Hz, 3D, active)
• Panasonic 47 "TC-L47WT50 LED (1600Hz, 3D)

55 inches: 

• Panasonic 55 "TC-L55E50 LED (120hz)
• Panasonic 55 "TC-L55ET5 LED (120Hz, 3D, passive)
• Panasonic 55 "TC-L55DT50 LED (240Hz, 3D, active)
• Panasonic 55 "TC-L55WT50 LED (1600Hz, 3D)

Toshiba: 

• Toshiba 40 "LED E220U (60hz, 2 hdmi, usb, Audyssey EQ)
• Toshiba 40 "LED L5200U (120Hz, 3 HDMI, USB)
• Toshiba 46 "LED L5200U (120Hz, 3 HDMI, USB)
• Toshiba 47 "LED L6200U (120Hz, 3D, passive, internet)
• Toshiba 47 "LED L7200U (240Hz, 3D, passive, internet)
• Toshiba 50 "D-LED L2200U (60hz?, Direct LED, 2 hdmi, usb, Audyssey EQ)
• Toshiba 55 "LED L6200U (120Hz, 3D, passive, internet)
• Toshiba 55 "LED L7200U (240Hz, 3D, passive, internet)

Sharp: 

• Sharp 52 "LED LE640U (120hz, edge-lit, internet)
• Sharp 60 "LED LE640U (120hz, edge-lit, internet)
• Sharp 60 "LED LE847U (240Hz, Quattron, 3D, edge-lit, internet)
• Sharp 70 "LED LE640U (120hz, edge-lit, internet)
• Sharp 70 "LED LE847U (240Hz, Quattron, 3D, edge-lit, internet)
• Sharp 80 "LED LE632U (full array, internet)